Jessica's missing presence in SNSD

Pann: Jessica's importance in SNSD was big

1. [+155, -52] Jessica would've suited Lion Heart concept... She'd look so pretty in the dress

2. [+120, -92] Agreed. Without Jessica, I stopped listening to SNSD's music and stopped watching their shows.

3. [+118, -55] I think Seohyun and Sooyoung are covering Jessica's part. Sooyoung's voice is quite high-pitched as well. Jessica has a pretty voice indeed. Sooyoung has much more parts than before. I think Lion Heart and Party were fine though. I could feel that Jessica was absent but it didn't look empty. They still did well. I don't think talking about Jessica's presence is right when she left the group already. Jessica also worked hard this time and brought a good song.

4. [+50, -6] Honestly, I didn't feel anything in Catch Me If You Can but I could feel her absence in a cute concept like Party. That's why I don't like Jessica. But it's not like I hate her, I just find her annoying like an ex-boyfriend.

5. [+45, -8] I really thought Jessica would've suited the concept when I watched the music videos of Party and Lion Heart.

6. [+45, -47] Sorry but the quality of the song doesn't determine the quality of the person ㅋㅋㅋㅋ Just because Jessica's song is better, it doesn't mean that everything about Jessica is better. This is just a song competition, not a competition as people ㅋㅋㅋ To put it more deeply, this is a competition between the composers, not the singers.

7. [+41, -12] I'm a guy but I admit it. I listened to Jessica and Tiffany's solo albums and Jessica's b-side tracks and everything were better.

8. [+39, -6] Honestly, Jessica's voice presence was big in SNSD songs

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Jessica's 'Fly' comeback, SNSD, Sones

Pann: Jessica's 'Fly'

1. [+166, -75] Her title track is good but the b-sides are even better! She's a voice queen ㅠㅠ

2. [+155, -73] I love her song <3

3. [+152, -77] I can tell that Jung Sooyeon prepared hard for this ㅠㅠ

4. [+89, -69] SM lost ㅋㅋㅋ Jessica's song is really good

5. [+70, -11] I felt that Jessica knows what suits her and doesn't go beyond limits, like her fashion and her new album. She knows what kind of styling suits her and she dresses neatly without looking boring. She knows her voice isn't powerful so she chose songs that go well with her voice instead of powerful songs. It seems easy to go with what suits you but it's not easy to balance things. Sometimes, you're tempted to try something that doesn't suit you. But Jessica pulls off just right. As a SNSD fan, I didn't want Jessica to succeed more but I also didn't want her to collapse... Jung Sooyeon did well as expected.

6. [+53, -15] I thought, "As expected~" when I watched her music video ㅋㅋㅋㅋ She's got good senses definitely. Her style is so unique ㅋㅋㅋㅋ Since before, she was the only fashionable member. She knows what women like. I understand why Jessica was a role model of so many women when she was controversial for her rude personality.

7. [+52, -25] Tiffany is completely defeated and Sone-roaches are trembling hard

8. [+48, -5] Jessica had more female stans than Tiffany ㅋㅋ China mass-bought her album also. China is where the money is at. Her song isn't my style but I think it'll do well. I knew she'd do well, just look at the number of fans she has ㅋㅋ She has a really good image on female-dominated sites and even on Naver. She'll all-kill if she brings a public-friendly song.

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Pann: Jessica says she still contacts SNSD

1. [+201, -10] I heard that Jessica and SNSD still have a good relationship. It seems that Sulli and f(x) don't contact each other at all.

2. [+170, -4] But they said 8 members all agreed on kicking out Jessica. Was it SM's media-play then? Yeah, it'd be weird if they don't keep in touch when they've known each other for more than 10 years.

3. [+166, -6] Jessica and Yoona were very close. As years passed, they were more pictures of both together.

4. [+106, -2] SNSD had a member change in 8 years, right? I think SNSD stayed well for a long time. It's hard to stay the same when there are nine girls... SNSD members aren't fierce, so...

5. [+94, -34] I doubt she'd contact Taeyeon

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Pann: Sones, what do you think of Jessica?

1. [+150, -10] I feel like I'm watching an ex-boyfriend. We're done and dragging more only hurts us. I hope we'd just go on our own ways without mentioning each other. I can't wish for her happiness but I don't want her to suffer.

2. [+125, -84] She's worse than EXO traitors. A lot of people don't know so they just think she got kicked out ㅋㅋ

3. [+109, -43] I don't care. I'm just gonna stan the 8 members, lulu

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Tiffany's solo is similar to Taemin? + Jessica's supposed reaction to Tiffany's low digital rank

SM solos:

Taeyeon, Kyuhyun, Ryeowook, Yesung - ballad line

Taemin, Tiffany - dance line

Their music videos are filmed in LA and their knee dances are the point.

Low digital sales but high physical sales.

Experts evaluated them highly.

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Pann: Taemin and Tiffany are similar cases

1. [+94, -5] I hate how people call them flops because of their digital sales. Taemin's digital sales were criticized but he was #1 on Gaon for the first quarter!! He got good reviews from experts. Tiffany's genre is pop which isn't public-friendly but it doesn't mean that it's not musically good or a flop.

2. [+88, -5] Taemin

3. [+78, -6] Tiffany... Why does SM like knee performances so much though? Their joints will break.

4. [+39, -2] It's frustrating when they say low digital sales mean a bad talent and a has-been. All they can do is bash others ㅠㅠ Taemin and Tiffany's songs were their unique styles, I don't understand how people can hate them. Do all singers have to sing similar genres?

5. [+32, -2] Please listen to Taemin's Dripdrop. It's really good, one of the best songs I've listened to.

6. [+32, -0] Her concept and style are like the female version of Taemin. She's performance-based and a minor genre... I don't know how to describe.

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Pann: Jessica at this time

1. [+28, -32] Tiffany's new song must be a big flop

2. [+28, -4] This picture has been used a lot since she left SNSD

3. [+19, -3] ㅋㅋㅋㅋ So funny

4. [+11, -13] I prefer Jessica ㅋㅋㅋ

5. [+9, -2] Tiffany's new album was based on her unique style rather than public-friendliness. Why do you have to judge her based on the digital rank?

6. [+9, -1] It fits well ㅋㅋㅋ

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Tiffany's 'I Just Wanna Dance' + she's not doing well digitally?

Pann: Finally Tiffany is at it

1. [+112, -88] I see people bashing SM songs ㅋㅋㅋ I'm sure the song you're listening to right now also got popularized by SM. Everytime SM released a song, they got a lot of hate for releasing hook songs. But after that, there were a lot of hook songs ㅋㅋ People bash SM songs for now but just wait and see. Songs that aren't unique and songs that are ahead, which one do you think will last long? Girl group songs these days are bad and generic except Twice's. If you're bashing Tiffany's song, I hope you keep listening to those common and generic songs. SM songs are liked internationally and domestic artists also call them classy but the antis are denying the truth ㅋㅋ

2. [+86, -13] Once in a Lifetime is too good to be a b-side. It's a double title track in my heart.

3. [+85, -10] It's more special because it's full of songs liked by Tiffany

4. [+45, -44] The song is really bad though

5. [+36, -0] I think it'll get a lot of mixed opinions. I really like Tiffany and her songs but I think Korean people won't like it because it's like American pop. Taeyeon's 'I' was public-friendly and K-pop, so it did well. People expected a lot from Tiffany but it wasn't the style they wanted, so I saw a lot of disapponted people ㅠㅠ

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Pann: Tiffany's digital sales are flopping

(Her Melon rank is currently below #40)

1. [+126, -97] Originally, SNSD members were big bubbles. They must've thought they could do well individually because of their glorious past as a group ㅎㅎ "United we stand, divided we fall." Or do they already flop as a group?

2. [+116, -105] Other than Taeyeon, none of SNSD members are outstandingly talented in singing or acting. Once Taeyeon's group bubble bursts, it'll be also hard for her to succeed as a solo. Yoona's visual is too plain to compete with other Korean actresses and her acting is not that great. Her face is bland so it's not attractive. She could do better as a dubbed actress in China like Choo Ja Hyun.

3. [+105, -79] I knew she'd flop

4. [+93, -8] The top comments are so mean. Tiffany worked for a long time to prepare for this album. You look down on one's effort and judge their popularity by digital sales? If SNSD are bubbles, then what are other girl groups? Do you even know SNSD's achievements?

5. [+68, -1] I don't like Tiffany's voice tone and her singing style but I liked her album. I liked how pop it was. Taeyeon is purely Korean-style tone but 'I' was too British pop-ish, so it sounded disparate. She still managed to cover it with her singing skills.

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[Update: apology] Seventeen Wonwoo's contradictory value with his SNSD comments + his friend's comments

Q) When do you feel that your self-love is strong?

A) Since I was young, my parents taught me to love myself the most. For example, when a friend who's not confident with their looks says "I look so-so today", I tell them "That's not true at all" to cheer them up. I'm always confident when it comes to this kind of thing. Even when my face is a bit puffy, I have the mindset of "No, I'm the best."

Yuri & Hyoyeon answered "yes" to the question "Have you ever fell for your own reflection in the mirror?"

Wonwoo posted the screencap with the title "That's crazy... They said they fell for their own reflections."

His friend commented:

- Why are you posting these?

- Hey, I think you can stop it now

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Instiz [1] [2]: Seventeen Wonwoo's contradictory value on looks

- As a long-term fan of SNSD, I'm so pissed off about this. What pisses me off more is comments like "It's because he was in grade 6" "He was young" "He didn't know anything"

- His interview is recent and his comments were when he was 13. He had enough time to change his thoughts and reflect.

- He's obviously taking care of his image

- I hope he doesn't greet Tiffany ㅠㅠ It boils my blood to think that he could be like "sunbae-nim~" with a smile

- What we want isn't a feedback, we want an apology from Wonwoo

- Wonwoo was 13 and SNSD members were 18, 19, 20. He wasn't the only one who was young.

- That's a great friend

- There's also a well-mannered kid like the friend. What kind of a nonsense is "all elementary school students are immature"?

- Now you can't generalize elementary school kids

- The friend is normal ㅋㅋㅋㅋ I don't understand why Wonwoo kept posting hateful posts of SNSD after reading his friend's comments

Hello, I'm Wonwoo

I first want to apologize to everyone who was hurt by this controversy.

Rather than coming up with an excuse that it was a mistake at a young age and something I don't remember, I want to apologize, admit my fault, and be punished.

They were written when I was young, but it doesn't change the fact that I was the one who wrote them. I'm sorry to SNSD sunbae-nims, SNSD's fans, and Carats. I'm also sorry to my fellow members who worked hard to be Seventeen.

I was very immature. I took celebrities lightly and I didn't think my careless words could hurt people. When I became a middle school student, I became a trainee for Seventeen and that's when I learned about the pressure to be someone who performs on the stage. After learning about how many people it took for one singer to perform and how performers feel as I promoted in Seventeen, I learned what it means to be on the stage. I learned that SNSD sunbae-nims' spot is a big achievement and I respected them. Also, with the love I get from fans, I learned that I have to be very responsible for this and how one comment can affect the celebrity's feelings. I'm reflecting my wrongdoing.

I can't dare to ask to forgive me. But I'm reflecting endlessly and I want to apologize to SNSD sunbae-nims. My thoughtless posts were definitely not right and it could hurt anyone. I can't lift my head up because I'm very sorry.

I will try not to disappoint anymore. I will read all criticisms and advises towards my immature behavior and I won't forget them. Please teach me more in the future.

I apologize once again. I'm sorry.

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Instiz: SNSD insult controversy Seventeen Wonwoo's hand-written apology + company's feedback

- Yeah... He was young...

- I'm glad he gave a feedback. I hope he reflects and be more careful

- He wrote well but it's a terrible writing. It's hard to read.

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Next SNSD concept you want to see?

Pann: SNSD's next concept

1. [+146, -4] I want another uniform concept like Genie ㅠㅠ

2. [+107, -2] I'm not a SNSD fan but Genie concept for me

3. [+96, -4] Sparkling and pretty concept like Twinkle

4. [+72, -3] SM is into foreign rock and the nature these days. I want an electronic and rock song like A Sky Full of Stars by Coldplay and a goddess concept with the space and the mother nature in the background. I'm not a fan but I think SNSD is the only girl group that can pull off this concept. I really want to see this kind of concept. And there are a plenty of hoobae female idols that are 30 or older. Shinhwa can but SNSD can't?

5. [+59, -2] SNSD is the original concept queens. SNSD looks good in everything ㅠㅠ

6. [+57, -1] SM is such a genius. How can they not do an overlapping concept for 9 years? ㅋㅋㅋㅋ

7. [+47, -5] Honestly, Lion Heart and Party were good songs but they didn't leave a big impact. I want them to do a legendarily showy concept.

8. [+42, -0] A song like Catch Me If You Can. I want them to do a girl crush concept. It was my first time of finding girls cool.

9. [+40, -1] Most memorable concepts are I Got a Boy and Genie

10. [+31, -2] Not a fan but I really liked the black and white dress, pink suit, and white suit in Mr. Mr.!! Those outfits were my type... I want them to wear them again.

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Eunji & Tiffany's upcoming solo albums in April

Pann: First solo albums in April, Eunji vs Tiffany

1. [+126, -54] Tiffany

2. [+113, -44] Tiffany!!!! <3

3. [+91, -9] Eunji and Tiffany hwaiting!!

4. [+57, -28] Eunji... I can't believe it...

5. [+44, -12] I want Tiffany to hurry up and comeback... International fans are also waiting to buy her album ^^

6. [+43, -13] I like both but Tiffany for me

7. [+41, -18] Eunji daebak

8. [+35, -4] Both wins ^^

9. [+31, -1] Tiffany's By Myself and Ring are still very popular internationally, so this kind of song will do well. It'll be even better if the song is a cheerful song like her personality ㅋㅋ

10. [+30, -9] Both have charming voices but Tiffany's voice is more unique and comfortable to listen to.

11. [+25, -2] The song has to be good. SM invested so much in Taeyeon, maybe they'll do the same with Tiffany. I'm sure she'll comeback with a song that suits her~

12. [+18, -2] Honestly, she won't be as big as Taeyeon but Tiffany will still win #1 on music shows by her physical sales. And if the song is good, she'll be really popular. I guess that's what SM is aiming for.

13. [+14, -3] It's time for Tiffany's fandom to show their class. A lot of people think only Taeyeon has a strong fandom, but Tiffany and Yoona have big fandoms, too. Yoona lacks talent so she can't release a solo album, so Tiffany should show their class.

14. [+12, -2] I want Eunji to fully show her singing talent in her solo album. She's such a good singer.

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